tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post4388210650981003972..comments2024-03-27T23:23:10.995+13:00Comments on 3rd Level New Zealand: The age-old question of competing with the national carrierSteve Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06894943682751269848noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-43940684687871442172019-08-27T19:42:06.453+12:002019-08-27T19:42:06.453+12:00It'll be the end of sounds air if they keep of...It'll be the end of sounds air if they keep offering $59 fares!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-69340092763851214602019-08-27T19:22:58.834+12:002019-08-27T19:22:58.834+12:00"Soundsair core business is and has been WLG/..."Soundsair core business is and has been WLG/PCN (Koromiko). Air NZ doesn't operate this route"<br /><br />But they operate WLG/BHE, and if WLG/PCN didn't exist there would be a hell of a lot more people flying to Blenheim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-44721012557349167822019-08-27T19:20:22.926+12:002019-08-27T19:20:22.926+12:00"Christopher Luxon has said in the media on a..."Christopher Luxon has said in the media on a number occasions, that Air NZ will work with smaller NZ based regional airlines"<br /><br />Completely political.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-66340633874455565402019-08-27T17:02:18.206+12:002019-08-27T17:02:18.206+12:00Soundsair introduced $59 fares. They said that was...Soundsair introduced $59 fares. They said that was to respond to competition from Air NZ. Competition works both ways. isn't that the end of the matter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-66038812119968332592019-08-27T16:41:53.708+12:002019-08-27T16:41:53.708+12:00Even the ferry would be considered competetion.Even the ferry would be considered competetion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-19556065670745807432019-08-27T13:06:10.803+12:002019-08-27T13:06:10.803+12:00Yes but you both fail to realise, while not a comm...Yes but you both fail to realise, while not a commercial 'threat', it is still competition. Take PCN out of it. They are still operating flights to BHE and NSN with people who would if not for SA be sitting on a Air Nz plane paying a Air NZ fare!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-61032231639888065482019-08-27T10:00:34.514+12:002019-08-27T10:00:34.514+12:00fras444 is correct in this comment. Air NZ doesn&#...fras444 is correct in this comment. Air NZ doesn't perceive Soundsair as a commercial threat across Cook Strait despite they might operate a cheaper fare or departure close to an NZ flight. If they did, they would have either bought them or force them out of business. The other factor, Soundsair is <br /><br />Christopher Luxon has said in the media on a number occasions, that Air NZ will Krisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-18635071819833749312019-08-27T09:50:38.338+12:002019-08-27T09:50:38.338+12:00Soundsair core business is and has been WLG/PCN (K...Soundsair core business is and has been WLG/PCN (Koromiko). Air NZ doesn't operate this route. Air NZ doesn't perceive Soundsair as a commercial threat across Cook Strait. If they did, they would have either bought them or force them out of business.Krisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-90355045569989344092019-08-26T11:56:25.819+12:002019-08-26T11:56:25.819+12:00fras444 Sounds Air undercuts Air NZ on the BHE rou...fras444 Sounds Air undercuts Air NZ on the BHE route as you yourself noted. Their peak time flights are within minutes of Air NZ flights. They are taking passengers from Air NZ. That is competition. <br />Yes Air NZ helped Sounds Air with Wesport and Taupo (and before that WLG-WAG). They have also helped Air Chats and Barrier by providing as little information as they could get away with on the Annonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12522994242513369832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-90751439387985773552019-08-26T08:07:39.347+12:002019-08-26T08:07:39.347+12:00AgreedAgreedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-76845775565884054402019-08-25T22:20:46.806+12:002019-08-25T22:20:46.806+12:00I was more responding to them potentially consider...I was more responding to them potentially considering doing NR - AA as mentioned in the articleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-2178234306367177812019-08-25T20:55:50.589+12:002019-08-25T20:55:50.589+12:00+1+1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-9560965497431335762019-08-25T20:54:14.618+12:002019-08-25T20:54:14.618+12:00Haha just doesnt get it does he :) I also agree th...Haha just doesnt get it does he :) I also agree that SA and Air NZ are technically in competition. Completely irrelevant the backgrounds and other offerings of said operators, they both operate flights, on two of the same routes - its called competition. <br /><br />Will he believe a dictionary definition? - 'rivalry between two or more persons or groups for an object desired in common, nzlanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-35546947180509020262019-08-25T20:24:24.028+12:002019-08-25T20:24:24.028+12:00Air Napier says it offers six flights a week, $299...Air Napier says it offers six flights a week, $299 one way, $349 if you sit in the co-pilot's seat (so it must be a single pilot operation), on one route (Napier/Gisborne). I don't think any of that is even faintly relevant to Air NZ and Jetstar services to Auckland. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-10025617438575152522019-08-25T20:20:53.698+12:002019-08-25T20:20:53.698+12:00You are right. Further, if Jetstar does drop the r...You are right. Further, if Jetstar does drop the regional services, Air NZ prices will gradually revert to market-realistic levels for each route, and those in Whanganui who have been going to PMR for the cheap deals will have no reason to do so. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-70132275214399607072019-08-25T19:57:11.779+12:002019-08-25T19:57:11.779+12:00In a nutshell
Sounds air and Air NZ head to head ...In a nutshell <br />Sounds air and Air NZ head to head on the cook straight routes.<br /><br />Sounds air<br />A small family run airline offer nice slow scenic flight over the sounds. Great for tourists and people who arnt in a great hurry and for locals who want to support a local airline with regular customers, customer service personal and pilots all on first name basis, chatting away to eachfras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-38206240209697883802019-08-25T19:45:31.381+12:002019-08-25T19:45:31.381+12:00Since you don't seem to get it, this will be s...Since you don't seem to get it, this will be short. If two individual company's, are offering the same product, it is competition. To say SA and NZ are complementing each other is nonsense. I'm sure Air NZ would dearly love to have SA out of the way on services across the Strait. Full monopoly is the goal. Its business 101. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-35112963337665335122019-08-25T19:15:49.299+12:002019-08-25T19:15:49.299+12:00I wouldn't say Sounds "take on" air ...I wouldn't say Sounds "take on" air nz with the cook straight in regards price wars nor do they "try" to undercut air nz etc. More that they just do what they do which is offer an alternative locally run service that can provide more of an personal service than what Air NZ would/could offer and also... They only offer a price where they can still make a profit and also fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-31825227699597882812019-08-25T19:13:15.922+12:002019-08-25T19:13:15.922+12:00I wouldn't say directly competing with each ot...I wouldn't say directly competing with each other I'd say more complementing each other. Unless sounds buy a Q300 or a ATR and start offering 39 flights... Air NZ arnt worried by them, infact air nz offered commercial sensitive info on Westport and Taupo routes.<br />If air nz really wanted to... they could up frequency and drop ticket prices and push sounds out of Nelson and Blenhiem..fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-43219586094864788642019-08-25T17:52:45.799+12:002019-08-25T17:52:45.799+12:00Um but its still competition. Doesnt matter how yo...Um but its still competition. Doesnt matter how you sugar coat it, Sounds Air is still offering flights across the strait, on the same routings as Air NZ (WLG/NSN/BHE) Doesnt matter if it's a local airline or not, it's still competition, and both airlines will be trying to get as many bums on seats on their own aircraft as they can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-25012782530209035882019-08-25T17:46:28.773+12:002019-08-25T17:46:28.773+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-27298625671418274352019-08-25T16:47:15.921+12:002019-08-25T16:47:15.921+12:00Spot on, and you'd argue too BHE-CHC which air...Spot on, and you'd argue too BHE-CHC which airnz still promote and offer, just via Wlg. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-70102245138391266062019-08-25T15:31:39.021+12:002019-08-25T15:31:39.021+12:00Sounds Air hardly "works around" Air NZ ...Sounds Air hardly "works around" Air NZ and Jetstar. They take them both head on on the lucrative trans Cook Strait routes.Annonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12522994242513369832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-59772314544269602212019-08-25T15:28:45.175+12:002019-08-25T15:28:45.175+12:001st and 3rd point - agrred.
2nd point I think the ...1st and 3rd point - agrred.<br />2nd point I think the councellor got Whanganui confused with Palmerston North which he doesn't mention.<br />The irony is though that Air Chats running Saabs, CV580s and now the ATR72 out of Whanganui in place of Air NZs overpriced B1900D offerings has probably hit Jetstar's PMR operations far more than Air NZs. Just read the feedback on Air Chats facebookAnnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12522994242513369832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-50042465606913547162019-08-25T11:01:58.091+12:002019-08-25T11:01:58.091+12:00The moral of the story, don't compete with Air...The moral of the story, don't compete with Air NZ, work around them like Sunair and Soundsair or with them like Air Chathams has done.<br /><br />Jetstar regional services could be pulled due to the high cost of operating 5 Q300's and the necessary infrastructure that supports them but it will depend on what Qantas wants to do with NZ regional access. At the moment, it is cheaper for Krisnoreply@blogger.com