tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post6999406108114135664..comments2024-03-27T23:23:10.995+13:00Comments on 3rd Level New Zealand: Air Chathams buys Kiwi RegionalSteve Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06894943682751269848noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-59225928051501317872016-06-20T07:29:26.665+12:002016-06-20T07:29:26.665+12:00I was in Auckland on Saturday and was wondering th...I was in Auckland on Saturday and was wondering the same thing... Have been watching just in case... again, a case of opportunitySteve Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894943682751269848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-50398990610166029432016-06-19T23:40:48.057+12:002016-06-19T23:40:48.057+12:00POB/POE/POF all up for grabs ......watch the CAA r...POB/POE/POF all up for grabs ......watch the CAA register for changes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-35511155479998943182016-06-19T20:34:28.164+12:002016-06-19T20:34:28.164+12:00Agree with your comments on Air Chats taking oppor...Agree with your comments on Air Chats taking opportunities that come their way. They strike me as a cautious operator that works well with the communities they serve. My thoughts are that they will focus on WHK and WAG and build those. But then of course if other ports or planes come available...Steve Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894943682751269848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-81445098047243302582016-06-19T20:18:32.848+12:002016-06-19T20:18:32.848+12:00Chats are the 145 provider. Line maint done in dud...Chats are the 145 provider. Line maint done in dud, all checks done in Auckland. <br /><br />I'd be surprised if chats to anything more than perhaps whk-wlg, unless airnz the pull out of something else. <br /><br />I suspect rather than trying to expand/grow they are just taking opportunities that come there wayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-4964093439469174062016-06-18T17:45:47.589+12:002016-06-18T17:45:47.589+12:00Wasn't the engineering work conducted using at...Wasn't the engineering work conducted using at the MainlandAir hangar at Dunedin Intl <br />That's where the aircraft spends most of its time Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-81180179516759241592016-06-18T11:18:16.004+12:002016-06-18T11:18:16.004+12:00KRA's Engineering was Air Chats from the start...KRA's Engineering was Air Chats from the start Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-57690445360469717142016-06-18T10:52:19.120+12:002016-06-18T10:52:19.120+12:00The Saab flight/cabin crew are based in Hamilton. ...The Saab flight/cabin crew are based in Hamilton. I am not sure where the spares are based or where the Saab maintenance is done. If its spares are based and the maintenance is done in Hamilton, I don't see Air Chathams shifting everything to Auckland or Christchurch. It would be expensive, especially if they move to Auckland and the flight/cabin crew have to find accommodation in Auckland.<Krisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-4320835444445910302016-06-18T10:37:37.028+12:002016-06-18T10:37:37.028+12:00For fras444 - In regards to the NZ Domestic market...For fras444 - In regards to the NZ Domestic market, I consider a 1st level carrier to be Air NZ Regional (that includes MT Cook Airlines and Air Nelson) and Jetstar Regional as they are full service carriers, where all flights have flight attendant and operating on a comprehensive network that contains connecting services/flights.<br /><br />This what the travelling public wants.<br /><br />A 2ndKrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-90382206062819668322016-06-18T08:54:17.881+12:002016-06-18T08:54:17.881+12:00Kris SunAir no longer operates to Hawkes Bay and h...Kris SunAir no longer operates to Hawkes Bay and haven't done so in a very long timeEagle2784https://www.blogger.com/profile/02244805442616894589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-15611293869524641832016-06-18T07:22:41.549+12:002016-06-18T07:22:41.549+12:00Let's not forget that not to long ago... Air C...Let's not forget that not to long ago... Air Chats were vying for that Masterton route along with Vincent for Vincent to win as the runway wasn't long enough for the metro while the runway was sufficient enough for the Saab... Guess who has a Saab NOW!!!! fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-23750248913356778282016-06-18T07:22:29.603+12:002016-06-18T07:22:29.603+12:00Let's not forget that not to long ago... Air C...Let's not forget that not to long ago... Air Chats were vying for that Masterton route along with Vincent for Vincent to win as the runway wasn't long enough for the metro while the runway was sufficient enough for the Saab... Guess who has a Saab NOW!!!! fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-42918115587481146222016-06-17T23:58:35.636+12:002016-06-17T23:58:35.636+12:00Lots of fluffy talk in articles that engineers and...Lots of fluffy talk in articles that engineers and all staff with exception to two will be moving to Air Chathams.<br /><br />I find that hard to believe. With the Saab flying from AKL to WAG and presumably also WHK when demand allows.. Crew, engineers, administration and ground staff would relocate form DUD, NSN and HLZ to AKL bar two... Highly doubt it, wool pulling right to the end.<br /><br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-2017326138063721572016-06-17T21:24:24.830+12:002016-06-17T21:24:24.830+12:00From stuff today:
A brief history of Kiwi Regional...From stuff today:<br />A brief history of Kiwi Regional<br /><br />December 2014 - Ewan Wilson announces plans to launch Kiwi Regional<br /><br />July 2015 - Kiwi Regional buys a Saab 340A, backed by investor 2 Cheap Cars<br /><br />August 2015 - Airfares to Dunedin, Queenstown, Nelson and Hamilton go on sale<br /><br />October 2015 - Regulatory approval issued by the Civil Aviation Authority<br Jardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09479692716451494956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-88719826618477926292016-06-17T21:22:42.209+12:002016-06-17T21:22:42.209+12:00If the Q300 is anything to go by, with a shorter r...If the Q300 is anything to go by, with a shorter runway they will be limited to about 18.5t (vs 19.5t MTOW). Which, for a short sector (less than one hour) doesn't actually affect loading, but they will just carry less fuel. It will be the same for the SAAB I imagine. 'Load limited' is generally a term used when they cannot take off at MTOW every time.Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052383161330643370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-269040264637096922016-06-17T20:58:47.824+12:002016-06-17T20:58:47.824+12:00To Kris... Actually Sounds Air serves 8 destinatio...To Kris... Actually Sounds Air serves 8 destinations now and Christchurch will be their 9th from 1st August. Also their seat range is 9 to 12 seaters. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sounds_AirJardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09479692716451494956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-35186332946094034082016-06-17T19:16:53.519+12:002016-06-17T19:16:53.519+12:00Totally agree with you Steve. You used far better ...Totally agree with you Steve. You used far better words to describe Sunair. A taxi service.<br />1st level airline Steve.... what is the minimum cut off..? With a "time zone crossing" ocean flight, massive pressurized fleet and a comprehensive destination schedule.. could Air Chats become the next 1st leveler fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-67579449687905153222016-06-17T18:57:42.055+12:002016-06-17T18:57:42.055+12:00QUESTION FOR YOU KRIS...
What is the exact cut of...QUESTION FOR YOU KRIS...<br /><br />What is the exact cut off for 2nd leveler to become a 1st level airline..? Air Chats would have to be so so close of achieving that..? A huge "time crossing flight" across a huge expanse of ocean to a place that.. basically is it's own country... "the wekas!!!" as they call themselves...fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-86209884204920117442016-06-17T18:56:32.196+12:002016-06-17T18:56:32.196+12:00Looking at this question from the past in the New ...Looking at this question from the past in the New Zealand context I would have said Mount Cook Airlines was 2nd level rather than 3rd level... a secondary airline that had an extensive network with medium size aircraft. Today, with its expansion I would probably moving Air Chathams to that category, with the others third level. In the past Sunair's operation would have almost been considered Steve Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894943682751269848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-85035720162486317152016-06-17T18:50:02.832+12:002016-06-17T18:50:02.832+12:00Yeah totally Kris like I mentioned below, definite...Yeah totally Kris like I mentioned below, definitely feel that Barrier is a half half 2nd/3rd leveler and if it weren't for the Caravan and the Kaitaia service, it would definitely be a 3rd leveler. The only true service is the one to Claris so that would make it just a 3rd level airline offering a niche service like Stewart air etc. Sunair... biggest fleet outside of Air nz but with a fleet fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-32658907797185352512016-06-17T18:22:08.123+12:002016-06-17T18:22:08.123+12:00I would assume the Saab would be, especially as it...I would assume the Saab would be, especially as it's an A model Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-58570588564442786162016-06-17T17:58:02.032+12:002016-06-17T17:58:02.032+12:00Can a Saab operate out of Whanganui..?? Just reme...Can a Saab operate out of Whanganui..?? Just remember when I was a little kid and asking the guy if those big aircraft (remember when air Nelson had the lovely blown up photo of the Saab and the Metro) and he said that the Saabs operating into Whanganui airport were load limited.. That's why only the Metros only land there..? Anyway I know that they now have the Q 300's operating therefras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-73551765652309042502016-06-17T17:51:13.414+12:002016-06-17T17:51:13.414+12:00Don't know who Anonymous is but if anything Ai...Don't know who Anonymous is but if anything Air Chats would be 2nd Level due to their long and proven route structure and large aircraft.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14812356343384599552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-89141458080686436782016-06-17T17:48:17.837+12:002016-06-17T17:48:17.837+12:00Sunair on paper fleet wise... you could say has th...Sunair on paper fleet wise... you could say has the largest fleet outside of Air nz but... with it made up of Cessna and pipers... also from reading between the lines through all of Steves posts... they operate a considerable schedule, but more in the way of a bus and not stopping if no one is at the bus stop kind of thing. Barrier Air you could say is more between a 2nd and 3rd level airline. fras444https://www.blogger.com/profile/00859543159403131176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-46235982974843629852016-06-17T17:46:38.185+12:002016-06-17T17:46:38.185+12:00Good points, could be something for OriginAir to p...Good points, could be something for OriginAir to pick up on...Used the old Origin on the Hlz-Nsn route, did well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14812356343384599552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8397738201762479975.post-45812540867898673972016-06-17T17:42:54.269+12:002016-06-17T17:42:54.269+12:00Probably slip it in on "heavy" load days...Probably slip it in on "heavy" load days.<br />A really good aircraft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com